Greenhouse Affect

Yes, we all talk about greenhouse effect and it seems the news continues to be more and more dismal.

Today, let’s talk about greenhouse ‘affect’, the affect of living in a glass environment on  your soul, your psyche and your health.

We all know the long dark winter days we have just endured are hard on our spirit. It does not seem natural to be cooped in the house for all those months without any sunshine.

Under glass, the advantages are many.

One is SAD, Seasonal Affective Disorder

In a recent article printed in Scientific America, the affects of too much darkness are documented:

“The association between darkness and depression is well established. Now a March 25 study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences reveals for the first time the profound changes that light deprivation causes in the brain.

Neuroscientists at the University of Pennsylvania kept rats in the dark for six weeks. The animals not only exhibited depressive behavior but also suffered damage in brain regions known to be underactive in humans during depression. The researchers observed neurons that produce norepi­nephrine, dopamine and serotonin—common neurotransmitters involved in emotion, pleasure and cognition—in the process of dying. This neuronal death, which was accompanied in some areas by compromised synaptic connections, may be the mechanism underlying the darkness-related blues of seasonal affective disorder.

Principal investigator Gary Aston-Jones, now at the Medical University of South Carolina, speculates that the dark-induced effects stem from a disruption of the body’s clock. “When the circadian system is not receiving normal light, that in turn might lead to changes in brain systems that regulate mood,” he says.

Treating the rats with an antidepressant significantly ameliorated brain damage and depressive behaviors. “Our study provides a new animal system for antidepressant development. Many existing animal models depend on stress. Our model is a stress-free means of producing a depression. It might be particularly relevant to seasonal affective disorder, but we think that it is relevant to depression overall,” Aston-Jones says.”

We obviously believe the conservatory is the cure for this. We have one client in Boston who said she always used to require winters in Florida to prevent depression, now she stays home in Boston, and spends her time in the conservatory. Of course, this may be bad news for the tourist business in Florida, but its great news for the family that gets mom home all winter.

Your Greenhouse Affect also comes from enjoyment of being outside in the winter, without the boots and parka. We enjoy snow storms and blizzards in the conservatory and pretend we are inside a snow globe!

Consider fresh herbs, leafy vegetables, and flowers in your winter. Never stop gardening all year round. Would you not say your life has improved if you can enjoy the fruits of your labor, all winter long?

On sunny days in the winter, my conservatory will heat up to 85 degrees. I let bread dough raise in the sun. Grandkids take naps on the love seat in the sun. Most of our winter days are sunny (when its not snowing), and the sun is a welcome benefit to a long dark winter.

The ‘greenhouse affect’ can be mental health, a place to read, a place to garden, or a place to soak in the hot tub. Without a doubt the affect on us all is positive.


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Conservatory Automation

Every conservatory is different. Some are built in the shade of stately trees. Others are built right out in the southern sun and take a full hit of infa-red waves daily.

In past articles, I have always compared the conservatory to your car. OK, I know you don’t grow hibiscus in your back seat, but the extremes of hot and cold can be similar to the conservatory.

In the past, I have also commented that a company who builds a structure with no consideration to mechanical design would be like a home builder forgetting to install a furnace and air conditioner.

So, assuming we agree, the conservatory can change its moods quickly. Who is there to react to these extremes? What of the thousands of dollars of furniture or tropical plants left to fend for themselves?

That is why we have taken our services to the next level and now offer Conservatory Automation to completely allow you to automatically control every aspect of your conservatory. We can even allow you to watch all of this from your lap-top computer or I-pad.

What’s more, we offer this service not only to our conservatory customers, but to all of you who own a conservatory and wish to upgrade.

Let’s briefly outline the details of Conservatory Automation.

Blinds and Shades: Many of you have conservatory blinds on the roof of your conservatory. Many of you do not and should be talking to us about installing them for you! Sourcing blinds specifically made for slope glazing is tricky in the US. Your local window treatment company will not have the correct products to hang from a ceiling and if they do the price is quite inflated.

Pleated Shades

How would you like it if the blinds moved up and down based on temperature, time of day or sun intensity? How about if you could put the blinds up from your office and watch the whole thing on your video monitor? We offer all of this to you.

Temperature: Some days, you may leave and its 20 degrees outside. The day warms up, the sun is intense and soon it 90 in the room. Is air conditioning a reasonable idea if its 20 degrees outside? Of course not. We can automate fans so windows open, roof vents open, fans come on and temperatures cool down. Of course, the reverse is true and all this will shut before the conservatory gets too cool.

Roof Vent

Naturally, we can also control the heating and cooling system to make sure temps are adequate for your room any time or any day. From your laptop or I-pad you can see the current temperature of the room and you can set it to any desired temp.

If temps in the room go too high or too low, hi-lo temp sensors can be installed to warn you of the condition.

Watering: Automatic watering. This is a simple task. Timers can come on numerous times each day and small ‘spaghetti’ like tubing, feeding each plant, will provide the plant with a prescribed amount of water. Sounds great, doesn’t it? Go on vacation and never have to worry about a ‘house sitter’ again.

Lighting:  No matter what the lighting need, we can control it.

Individual lighting for plants

Mood and safety lighting

Landscape lighting

It’s all an easy touch of the screen to control any of that.

Automation! Make sure you have it. Contact me and we will discuss this further. or call 888 345 7915



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Has the winter damaged your conservatory?

Winter damage to conservatories

There is no need to extoll the difficulties this winter has wrought on all of us in this country. Our building systems have been taxed to the maximum with cold, snow and ice.

Many of you have conservatories that have been slightly to severely damaged by the winter weather. Leaks in roofs, displaced materials, and damaged windows have occurred as we have had calls on all of these maladies.

In some cases, conservatories with improper support have shifted and some even have had roof glazing collapse.

What to do if you have damage that needs repairs?

First is to take lots of photos.


Report the damage to your insurance company.

Call us for repairs or estimates.

Winter Harm on Conservatory

In most cases, easy repairs can be done on a short visit by our repair crew. In some cases, replacement materials have to be ordered and received.

Unfortunately, many of the uPVC companies that did business from the UK in the USA are no longer in business, or doing business in this country.

If the company is still in business, our relationship in the industry allows us to call on operating businesses and obtain replacement materials.

Extrusions can be a different entity. Often, these companies will replace an extrusion with an improved extrusion and dump all of the old inventory. We keep a supply of replacement parts in our warehouse, so in many cases, we are able to source many parts that may no longer be available.

If your conservatory is made of wood, we can shape and duplicate any wood member on the spot, so you are a bit more lucky if repairs are required.

One way or the other, we are the one stop company for repairs, as needed so keep us in mind and set up a visit today.   or 888 345 7915


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Tips on how to keep a Conservatory cool

This has been a very cold winter. All of us in the Northern climates are quite thrilled when the sun comes out and toasts up the conservatory to a spring like temperature.

However, planning is an important part of the conservatory design, and building without a plan for heat control is not responsible.

We know, when the weather gets warm outside,  it is going to get even warmer in the conservatory. Let me take you through the steps we use with our clients when doing a conservatory design.

1) Exposure: Does the room face directly south? (Mine does).

What natural shading occurs during the day? Does the house shade the room for a portion of the day? Be mindful the sun changes in altitude. In the winter, the low sun shines in through the side windows. In the summer, the heat gain comes through the roof.

Being a Horticulturalist, the first assistance I look for comes from plants. Trees to be specific. Deciduous trees to be more specific. Deciduous trees (ones that lose leaves in the winter) are your best friends.

They shade the room in the summer, and allow sun to shine through in the winter. What a great relationship you will have with trees, well thought near your conservatory. A note here, if you are not a tree expert, get some expert advice. You do not want soft wood trees that easily lose branches in storms or winds. You do not want trees that make a big mess with seeds. You also want to make sure your tree is not ‘sappy’ or a tree that attracts insects that produce sap.

Sound impossible? Not at all. Just get good advice.

OK, we have the trees planted where they will best serve our needs. Now what? I still have heat while I am waiting for this tree to grow!

2) Glass. Glass is rated by experts in two ways. Solar gain and heat gain. They are different entities. Without going into a deep discussion, what you want is to control heat gain, and that is with shading coefficient.

We can get shading co-efficiency to a point where the glass can be 75% shading. This may cause a loss of visibility, so look at different glass and decide what level of shading you want in the glass.

3) Blinds. Well, you may call them shades too. Blinds come in all designs and colors as well as efficiency. We love the blinds that we use because the colors we select to go with your conservatory as well as the house and decor, add much charm to the space.

Blinds have multiple functions. They do the obvious thing of shading out the sun, but in the winter, at night, they hold heat into the room. A great plus when its below zero like it has been for us so many times this winter.

Consider automation. We can motorize the blinds so you can control them many ways. Sensors in the room can raise and lower them based on time of day, temperature in the room or sun intensity. We can also allow you to manually operate the blinds from you laptop whilst on a sunny beach in the Caribbean!

4) Mechanics. How do commercial greenhouses keep them cool? A simple thing: moving air. We like to move a lot of air through the conservatory. When it is 75 degrees outside and the conservatory has just hit 90, you can control the temperature by simply moving air. We call it air exchanges. If you exchange the air in the room 6 times in an hour, you should be what we call ‘ambient’.

Moving air is cheap. You notice I have not talked about air conditioning yet. That is the last option on my list. You can use roof vents with automatic louvers to open side windows and roof vents to create a chimney affect. Have a ceiling fan below pushing the air up to the roof. The natural movement of hot air is up, so let it go up, and get it out!

We also use attic fans that take the air from the conservatory, up high, and expel through the roof of the house or a soffit on the conservatory. This is a bit more complicated, so rely on your designer to get you through this one.

OK, now the air conditioner. I only use mine as a last resort. I think the mini-split is the way to go. Look into Mitusibishi or Fijitsju for a couple of great products that can cool a conservatory in no time. They just cost more to run.

So, I read the internet, and I see many frustrated, and unhappy people trying to cool their conservatory. You know why that happens? They bought from the wrong company. They bought from a company more interested in closing a sale, than educating the buyer as to the many options they may have and a design that meets their expectations. Don’t be that person.

Talk to us at My name is Jim and I am always there to help.

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How to germinate and grow your plants from seeds

Grow. Let’s talk about germination. In short, the hard carbohydrate in that seed must dissolve, turn to sugar and provide energy to the endosperm in the seed. This process takes from 3 to 25 days to take place. Through that period, all seeds must be kept moist to dissolve the carbohydrates. If they dry out, they die. Starting over again by watering a dry bed will not bring them back to life. Seeds are not Lazarus. Remember this when seeding your lawn or any other seeds you might plant.

OK, enough Biology for the day, let’s get started. Salvia is one of those plants that requires light for proper germination. If you have a growth chamber for germination, set it so the lights are on 16 hours per day. As you know from this post this has been requested for my daughters wedding.

We know from our research that Salvia requires 10 days to germinate. I plant them around April 1st, and note on the seedling flat the date of expected germination. Keep this seed on the surface. Remember, it needs light to germinate! I usually cover the flats with Glad Press and Seal, to keep moisture inside. Once sprouted, it is now time to remove the cover, and watch for the seedlings to grow. We have our growth chamber set up in the conservatory on the heated floor.

Keep the flat moist, not wet, and water from below (like setting the flat in a pan of water) so the seedlings don’t get knocked over. They can’t get up again! Watch for the fungus called ‘damping off’. It happens to tiny seedlings that are too wet, and you will see the cotton like fungus at the base of the plant. Some people water their seedlings with chamomile tea (cold of course!). There are elements of the tea that prevent the damping off fungus. Just avoid damping off. Keep plants moist, never dry out, never too wet.

Once there are at least 4 permanent leaves on the plant you can transplant to the 4 pak you will use for garden transplant. This time of year, the conservatory can get quite warm on a sunny day, so make sure to watch the temp in the in the growth chamber. Excessive heat will also set the plants back.

Be sure to ‘harden’ the plants outside, during the day, for at least 3 days before transplanting out side. A fan, set on low speed over the plants, while still in the conservatory, can do the same thing, if you have too many flats to take in and out.

Make sure you are well past the last frost date before planting in the garden. Plants that are too cold will stunt and take a long time to re-start. There are many clever ideas for keeping the plant in the open during the day and covered at night.

Often, a cold frame is the answer

Other times, just a plastic hoop around the seedling is enough. I have learned to wait to plant my peppers until the soil is warm and the days are too. Yet, we all know that onions should get in the ground as early as possible.

Since starting this blog, many of my seeds have already arrived! I have planted the lisianthus and have a schedule of all the plants in the garden and when I will plant the seeds.

Stay tuned for seedlings as they grow and the designs we have made for the flowers this year!


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How does a Conservatory differ from a Sunroom

That’s a question often asked. I say: How is a T shirt different from a dress shirt? How is a sedan different from a luxury car? Some things you just know. A car gets you there on 4 wheels, (well most of the time!). A shirt covers your body, right?

A sunroom lets the sun in, right? So why is one a conservatory, the other a sunroom.

Let’s explore. In general terms, quality and longevity. A sunroom is typically less quality construction than the house it is attached to. Stick built structures by quality carpenters do not fit this discussion, and can be of high quality. Is the roof solid or glass?  Most mass-manufactured sunrooms are the quality level of a trailer home. Thin walls, screws exposed and right through the face surface of the structure, (eventually rusting) low insulation level of the glass and walls.

Longevity, meaning, how long will it last. Without argument, it will not last as long as your home, so at some point, you will have to replace it. 10, 15, maybe 20 years, but just like that vinyl siding on your house, it will have to be replaced.

And, how much did it cost? About $35-40,000.00

A glass roof, that is a very big difference between a sunroom and a conservatory. We like to sit at night and watch the stars and moon. We enjoy watching the snow swirl around in the winter. We feel like we are inside a snow globe! People complain that it gets too hot. Well, when its -15 in MN and the sun is out, we flock to the conservatory and bask in 85 degrees. Ahh! It can’t be beat.

In the summer, well placed shade trees provide a natural air conditioning to the conservatory. The difference we offer is consideration of the entire mechanical and environmental plan, not just throwing up a building, collecting a check and saying ‘good luck’. We work with you to achieve all your expectations with the conservatory.

We take great joy in all the flowers and plants in constant growth and flowering in our conservatory. The joy of living plants is unsurpassed.

The first conservatory I ever built was in 1988, 26 years ago. Still in great shape, still used everyday by the homeowner. The longevity of a properly built conservatory should be the life of the home it is attached to.

26 Year Old Conservatory

I will admit, some conservatories are wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are made with uPVC and will never last as long as our mahogany or thermally broken aluminum.

So, just because someone puts cresting on the ridge, does not mean its a conservatory.

Make sure you have glass with high insulation value.

Make sure there is no uPVC in the structure (plastic is plastic no matter what you call it).

Make sure it has proper engineering. Many localities now require signed and stamped engineering. Conservatory Craftsmen has never failed and engineering examination. We have complied to every building code and requirement in seismic, hurricane, snow load location we have built.

So what would that conservatory, the same size as the sunroom, have cost? About $50,000.00 and that includes all materials, shipping, installation labor, and 10 year warranty.

So wouldn’t you really rather have a conservatory?

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A Conservatory Wedding! OMG!

Well, my youngest, Allison, has announced her plans to marry Daniel Johnson on Sept 6 of 2014. What great news for our family! She is so happy, and Daniel is really a fine gentlemen. As a dad, I could not be happier or luckier.

Or, so I thought. The next piece of news from her smiling face was “and we are having the ceremony here at the conservatory!”

WHAT?!! Oh boy. I could see my wife, Mary Jo’s eyes and I knew right there what she was thinking. The longest most extensive ‘Honey Do’ list in history! I mean if I had all 3 beehives that I own helping me, there would never be as much Honey Do!

Well, the shock has eased some and its time for reality. One thing I know for sure, if there is going to be 100 people in this conservatory garden, it is going to be spectacular! All my garden design days are going to work to support me as I re-think every plant in the garden.

They must all earn their keep to be in this big show!

So out comes the sketch pad and the plant manuals. Brew a cup of tea and nestle into the conservatory for a journey through the photos of flowers and plants in a land far from a January night in Minnesota!

Though the temperature hovers near zero outside, the conservatory is warm and snugly.

A bit of Garden music and my lap top we begin the process of shopping the seed catalogs. Now we get into the bread and butter of what this story is all about today: how and what to shop for in a seed catalog.  (to be continued…)


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Seed starting in the Conservatory

The Holiday season is over, the decorations are down, the winter has a firm grip on life, and mind begins to dream about the next season. Spring!

Last year was not a kind spring. Everything was late. I had to feed my poor bees until the third week of June before pollen finally was available in the typical spring blooms.

This year will be different. We are all hoping for that. So, lets make a list and go seed shopping! Here are some helpful tips that will guide you through this phase of your gardening adventure. Please check back often and follow my gardening journey!

1)  Avoid the impulse to buy seeds at the ‘box store’. Nothing against box stores, but a lot against impulse seed buying. I did this for years and then after it was too late, regretted the plants and the harvest. The selection is not well suited to you on a rack.

2)  But be sure to stay ahead of the season, or pay the price of expensive potting plants, with little variety to select from. Many garden centers spray growth inhibitor on the seedlings to they stay full, and don’t get long and leggy in the garden center. Problem is, they stay stunted and are poor producers. So there are several reasons to start you own seeds: cost, quality control and fun!

3) Do not use seed ‘Catalogs’. The internet is a much better source for a seed shopper. Avoid companies, just because they offer a sale. Not saying it won’t be a good deal, but seed quality is the most important. Note, I am not saying don’t buy seeds from companies who send catalogs, what I am saying is study the plants on the internet for full information.

4) Design your garden: impulsive gardens that result from buying plants at the nursery never work out. When in doubt, try ‘Square Foot Gardening’, but be sure if its vegetables or flowers, you have a plan on paper first.

5) Organize. I make up a 3 ring binder and keep my notes in it from year to year. Plan the garden and follow the plan! I have a mixed light exposure around the conservatory. Lots of sun, some morning sun and some shady. I love it. I have a full pallet to paint with.

We are lucky this year to be hosting my daughters wedding in our garden this September.  The color theme is purples and grays. So, I am designing with a color theme that I will follow throughout the entire garden. There are a ton of options!

6) Coordinate. Look at plant options. I Google things like “purple flowers that grow in sun”. You get to see lots of photos of plants that inspire. Pick a plant. Let’s say you are attracted to Salvia, a great plant that has great cut flowers, grows in sun, and of course I selected a purple variety.

Now, Google ‘Salvia’ and many suppliers will pop up. Look at their options. Now you can compare various promotions the companies offer, and order your seeds.

7) Track. Start a chart either on a piece of paper or a spreadsheet. List the plant, where you are ordering from (I bought mine from Swallowtail), the length of time to germination, and instructions on germination. This is important and often overlooked. Some plants do best planted in the soil where they go through the process and send up shoots. However, due to hormones in the seeds, some plants germinate in light and require to be at the surface of the planting to be successful. Make this note on your spreadsheet.

I can’t wait to get my seeds in the mail next week. It is a truly enjoyable hobby, gardening in these long winter months.

Stay tuned for germination!



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Will Conservatory Craftsmen weather a hurricane?

There is no doubt that weather patterns are changing and storms we experience have become more severe.

15 of our conservatories in NJ, NY and PA experienced full force winds and rain from hurricane Sandy.

None of our structures suffered any wind or water damage. One of our conservatories, under construction, had a small leak, and this was quickly repaired.

Leak is a 4 letter word! Anybody who says they have never had one are simply not telling the truth. However, we have only experienced a small number of leaks over the last 23 years, and there has never been a leak left unattended.

So now, our phone and email has a constant flow of pleas for help from conservatory owners looking for a repair service. We are happy to visit and repair many brands of conservatories.

Frankly, these home owners can’t reach the original company, because that company is out of business!

So, as a consumer, what questions should you ask about your conservatory?

1. If you are presented with a product that takes polycarbonate on the roof, this is all well and fine, but ask the question “what if I want glass on my roof?” if they try to talk you out of glass, or even say this roof is for polycarbonate only, I am telling you right now, this product will never stand up to extreme weather. I was at a conservatory in New Jersey that was knocked over by the snow on a Halloween blizzard.  A snow drift knocked over a conservatory!

2. Ask about stamped engineering. Many localities today require stamped engineering. It is a good thing but can add several thousand dollars to the cost of the conservatory, as the engineer, who takes legal responsibility for the project, has a lot of calculations to do. If the company is unable to provide engineering, walk away. We provide stamped and sealed engineering to any project the client is willing to pay for.

3. Some companies like to tell you their glass is the best on the market and its a top secret that no one else can do. Ridiculous. We can match any glass efficiency made, and likely surpass it. Get a written verification of the U valu of the glass. U valu is the energy efficiency of glass. Unlike R valu, the lower the number, the more efficient the glass is. We provide glass with the lowest U valu on the market.

More discussion about what you are being told? Call me, we can chat Jim 888 345 7915

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Plants NASA says to Grow in your Conservatory

In addition to the dangerous chemicals used to make carpets, couches, paint and dry wall, our homes can be filled with chemicals from everyday household items and products. Things like pressed wood, facial tissue, paper towels, plastic and rubber, to name a few, frequently contain traces of chemicals like benzene, formaldehyde and trichloroethylene.

NASA once partnered with the Associated Landscape Contractors of America (ALCA) to investigate which household plants best act as natural air purifiers and found 15 common plants that effectively improve . Based on ease-of-care, attainability, appearance and effectiveness, here are our top six air purifying plants.

1. Bamboo Palm: According to NASA, it removes formaldehyde and is also said to act as a natural humidifier. Bamboo palm can tolerate low light conditions, but should have a bright spot in the house. When growing in the conservatory, it is a good plant to shuffle in and out. There is a dwarf version of this plant. Play with it, move it around until you find the right growing conditions for it. Do not over-water. It should be moist every day, but not so much that is stands water in the pot.

2. Snake Plant: Found by NASA to absorb nitrogen oxides and formaldehyde. This plant, originally from west Africa is also called Sanserviaria or Mother-in-law’s-tongue, because it is so sharp. However, I have never told my mother-in-law what the plant is called! Do so at your own risk. This plant can go a month without water and needs very little light. If you are not a ‘green thumb’ this plant is for you. My plant has grown for years and one hardly even notices it any more, its just part of the furniture. Buy one the size you want as it is a really slow grower in the house.

3. Areca Palm: One of the best air purifying plants for general air cleanliness. This palm was once on the endangered species list and is now plentiful. According to NASA and Dr. B. C. Wolverton, the areca palm filters xylene and toluene from the air. Wolverton also specifies that, at 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in) in height, the plant will transpire 1 liter of water per 24 hours, thereby making it an effective humidifier. It is not a low light plant. It is ideally suited for the conservatory, however. Keep it moist, moist only. Do not over-water. Do not fertilize in the winter, and only a few times during the growing season. This plant will achieve 7 feet in height.

4. Spider Plant: Great indoor plant for removing carbon monoxide and other toxins or impurities. Spider plants are one of three plants NASA deems best at removing formaldahyde from the air. This plant also puts high amounts of oxygen back into the air. Spider plants, native to south Africa are the easiest plant to grow. In the conservatory, find the partial light corner, because they will burn up in full light. Many windows in the house are great for spider plants. Children love spider plants because they are so easy to propagate the ‘spiders’ and they are hard to over water. Feed them frequently during the growing season. Keeping them in children’s bedrooms is a good idea because they are such work horses for air cleaning and O2 production.

5. Peace Lily: Peace lilies could be called the “clean-all.” They’re often placed in bathrooms or laundry rooms because they’re known for removing mold spores. Also known to remove formaldahyde and trichloroethylene. Peace lily is so easy to grow.  They are a beautiful lily and produce a lovely lily flower that even the most novice homeowner can grow. They do not like direct light. Do not over water, but I like to keep just a bit of water on mine all the time. Maybe 1/2 cup a day is all. It keeps the soil moist. You can grow the peace lily in a north window. This plant is always on sale at the big box stores.

Some people worry about Peace lilies being poisonous. They are not true lilies and have a high level of oxalates, so they will irritate the mouth of a dog or cat that eats them. This usually happens quickly enough for the animal to stop eating the plant, before damage occurs.

6. Gerbera Daisy: Not only do these gorgeous flowers remove benzene from the air, they remove trichloroethelene which comes home with dry cleaning. They’re known to improve sleep by absorbing carbon dioxide and giving off more oxygen over night. Though not often grown as a house plant, they can bring a lot of joy to the home. Keep them slightly moist, not wet. Give them lots of sun for about 5 hours a day. Cut the spent flowers right away.

You can expect a Gerbera Daisy to last 1-3 years in the house, so consider it a disposable plant, that brings great health and joy in a short time. Clusters of these plants make a tremendous statement in any room.

Let me know if you have other plant questions or problems. If you don’t have a conservatory yet, for growing your plants. we need to talk!

Cheers, Jim  888 345 7915


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